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		<title>By: Anup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok heres what I have to say. The market sucks, especially for international students. The H1 thing is a big hurdle now.
A lot of people have been laid off and they will be competing as well.
I think it will take 2012 or later for the scene to get back to 2005</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok heres what I have to say. The market sucks, especially for international students. The H1 thing is a big hurdle now.<br />
A lot of people have been laid off and they will be competing as well.<br />
I think it will take 2012 or later for the scene to get back to 2005</p>
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		<title>By: Surajvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surajvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone please comment on class of 2010 MBA grads&#039; job prospects/strategy in UK ? Wawick , Leeds and Strathclyde are in my list . The cover is blown agreed, but can an Indian consultant with 9 years IT expertise (PRINCE2 , ITIL , BCI certified ) hope to land a job by /within 3 months of graduation ? Would the olyympics in 2012 have a positive impact on my job hunt early 2011?. Appreciate some tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone please comment on class of 2010 MBA grads&#8217; job prospects/strategy in UK ? Wawick , Leeds and Strathclyde are in my list . The cover is blown agreed, but can an Indian consultant with 9 years IT expertise (PRINCE2 , ITIL , BCI certified ) hope to land a job by /within 3 months of graduation ? Would the olyympics in 2012 have a positive impact on my job hunt early 2011?. Appreciate some tips.</p>
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		<title>By: StreetGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>StreetGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an oversimplification of the MBA job market&#039;s state.  If you&#039;re a recent grad who is trying to find a position in real estate or investment management, it&#039;s a very, very challenging environment and has been so through much of 2008.  There are still plenty of opportunities in marketing, industry finance and other areas.  Are these areas lagging?  Possibly, but the impact has not been nearly as dire as you suggest.

If an MBA graduate chooses to seek employment outside of his/her core interest due to this environment, it may never be possible to get back on track.  This is especially true for career switchers who have little relevant experience.

There are always opportunities, but they are harder to find.  Hearing all of this doom and gloom from my alma mater (http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/253363/new_york_times_article_on_nouriel_roubini_as_dr_doom) makes me glad that I didn&#039;t attend b-school there.  Most MBA career placement departments are projecting a &quot;realistic optimism&quot; - when it comes to morale of quality job seeking students, this is just as important as an honest assessment of the economic environment.  I&#039;m not inferring that it&#039;s ok to tell an sub-par student that he/she can get a position at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey tomorrow, but quality people are in demand in any market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an oversimplification of the MBA job market&#8217;s state.  If you&#8217;re a recent grad who is trying to find a position in real estate or investment management, it&#8217;s a very, very challenging environment and has been so through much of 2008.  There are still plenty of opportunities in marketing, industry finance and other areas.  Are these areas lagging?  Possibly, but the impact has not been nearly as dire as you suggest.</p>
<p>If an MBA graduate chooses to seek employment outside of his/her core interest due to this environment, it may never be possible to get back on track.  This is especially true for career switchers who have little relevant experience.</p>
<p>There are always opportunities, but they are harder to find.  Hearing all of this doom and gloom from my alma mater (<a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/253363/new_york_times_article_on_nouriel_roubini_as_dr_doom" rel="nofollow">http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/253363/new_york_times_article_on_nouriel_roubini_as_dr_doom</a>) makes me glad that I didn&#8217;t attend b-school there.  Most MBA career placement departments are projecting a &#8220;realistic optimism&#8221; &#8211; when it comes to morale of quality job seeking students, this is just as important as an honest assessment of the economic environment.  I&#8217;m not inferring that it&#8217;s ok to tell an sub-par student that he/she can get a position at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey tomorrow, but quality people are in demand in any market.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Salomon</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertsalomon.com/2008/06/23/job-prospects-for-b-school-grads/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Salomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Hakan. I have not been in the business long enough to have lived through several downturns. I was, however, on the market however during the 2001-2002 recession, and it was not a great year, but not awful either. Believe it or not, 2002-2003 was worse.

My understanding from those more knowledgeable than I is that universities tend to lag the general economy by several periods (both on the way down and the way up). 

So while I believe that the job market will certainly be rough going for MBA grads in 2009, my priors would suggest that it won&#039;t be as bad for Ph.D. graduates looking for academic jobs. In fact, when the economy goes sour, applications to business schools generally increase as displaced workers look to go back to school. So demand for the MBA degree often increases during recessions. But executive education and employer-sponsored part-time programs dry up. Alumni giving also begins to wane. 

With all that in mind, I believe that 2008-2009 academic year will be so-so for Ph.D. graduates - not great, but not awful either. Private universities will likely continue with their hiring plans. State universities, whose hiring budgets are largely determined by state budgetary considerations, will have difficulty. I am not optimistic about the 2009-2010 academic year. By then, private and public schools alike will feel the pinch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Hakan. I have not been in the business long enough to have lived through several downturns. I was, however, on the market however during the 2001-2002 recession, and it was not a great year, but not awful either. Believe it or not, 2002-2003 was worse.</p>
<p>My understanding from those more knowledgeable than I is that universities tend to lag the general economy by several periods (both on the way down and the way up). </p>
<p>So while I believe that the job market will certainly be rough going for MBA grads in 2009, my priors would suggest that it won&#8217;t be as bad for Ph.D. graduates looking for academic jobs. In fact, when the economy goes sour, applications to business schools generally increase as displaced workers look to go back to school. So demand for the MBA degree often increases during recessions. But executive education and employer-sponsored part-time programs dry up. Alumni giving also begins to wane. </p>
<p>With all that in mind, I believe that 2008-2009 academic year will be so-so for Ph.D. graduates &#8211; not great, but not awful either. Private universities will likely continue with their hiring plans. State universities, whose hiring budgets are largely determined by state budgetary considerations, will have difficulty. I am not optimistic about the 2009-2010 academic year. By then, private and public schools alike will feel the pinch.</p>
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		<title>By: Hakan Ener</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertsalomon.com/2008/06/23/job-prospects-for-b-school-grads/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Hakan Ener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Rob,
Any comments on the recruitment of business PhDs as new faculty members by business schools? Will we see similar dynamics as in the market for MBA hiring going into 2009?
Thanks!
Hakan 
(Currently in Singapore)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rob,<br />
Any comments on the recruitment of business PhDs as new faculty members by business schools? Will we see similar dynamics as in the market for MBA hiring going into 2009?<br />
Thanks!<br />
Hakan<br />
(Currently in Singapore)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Salomon</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertsalomon.com/2008/06/23/job-prospects-for-b-school-grads/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Salomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to Rachel&#039;s Post (above):

http://www.realmatch.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to Rachel&#8217;s Post (above):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realmatch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.realmatch.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: rachel morgan</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertsalomon.com/2008/06/23/job-prospects-for-b-school-grads/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Robert.  I read an interesting article the other day about how employment sites are changing as employers abandon the &quot;pay to post&quot; model found on most sites like Monster, careerbuilder, industry associations etc.  A lot of people that look on these sites falsly think there are less jobs when in fact employers have begun posting their jobs on free employment sites like

http://wwwRealmatch.com
http://www.craigslist.com
http://www.simplyhired.com

And others...Just a thought for those looking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Robert.  I read an interesting article the other day about how employment sites are changing as employers abandon the &#8220;pay to post&#8221; model found on most sites like Monster, careerbuilder, industry associations etc.  A lot of people that look on these sites falsly think there are less jobs when in fact employers have begun posting their jobs on free employment sites like</p>
<p><a href="http://wwwRealmatch.com" rel="nofollow">http://wwwRealmatch.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.craigslist.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.craigslist.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.simplyhired.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.simplyhired.com</a></p>
<p>And others&#8230;Just a thought for those looking!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Salomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Salomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Backspan, if you have a job, consider yourself fortunate. And congrats! 

I hope it didn&#039;t come across as if I suggested that everything is A.OK if you are a grad with a job. In fact, the economy is likely to deteriorate to a point where everyone is at risk. That said however, the grads of 2009 will be especially challenged when it comes to employment.

Now, since you are employed (albeit not in your chosen vocation), the issue is what next. Unfortunately, when the economy turns as it has, many MBA grads have to accept a few years of under-employment - a few years in which they may have to accept periods of underpayment relative to what they could be making in better times, and a few years of immobility, stuck in a job that they might not exactly want. I&#039;ll call your attention to that BusinessWeek article &quot;It’s Looking Grim for New Grads&quot; cited above. It has some good information for folks in your situation.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Backspan, if you have a job, consider yourself fortunate. And congrats! </p>
<p>I hope it didn&#8217;t come across as if I suggested that everything is A.OK if you are a grad with a job. In fact, the economy is likely to deteriorate to a point where everyone is at risk. That said however, the grads of 2009 will be especially challenged when it comes to employment.</p>
<p>Now, since you are employed (albeit not in your chosen vocation), the issue is what next. Unfortunately, when the economy turns as it has, many MBA grads have to accept a few years of under-employment &#8211; a few years in which they may have to accept periods of underpayment relative to what they could be making in better times, and a few years of immobility, stuck in a job that they might not exactly want. I&#8217;ll call your attention to that BusinessWeek article &#8220;It’s Looking Grim for New Grads&#8221; cited above. It has some good information for folks in your situation.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Backspan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backspan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Liked your article on the plight of MBA&#039;s. 
 
I would like a clarification. 
 
You said that 
 
2008 Grads with Job Offers - A.OK. 
 
2009 Grads Prospects - Bleak 
 
What are 2008 Grads w/out Job Offer. 
 
I am currently employed, but not in 
my chosen MBA profession. 
 
Please Respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Liked your article on the plight of MBA&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I would like a clarification. </p>
<p>You said that </p>
<p>2008 Grads with Job Offers &#8211; A.OK. </p>
<p>2009 Grads Prospects &#8211; Bleak </p>
<p>What are 2008 Grads w/out Job Offer. </p>
<p>I am currently employed, but not in<br />
my chosen MBA profession. </p>
<p>Please Respond.</p>
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